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Thursday, April 12, 2007

Finally! HID Support for all Q1s with Vista Installed!

First of all, I would like to thank eGalax (EETI) for allowing me to help them beta testing this driver. Believe it or not, these guys have not received yet a Q1 to work in this project. This tells me the poor interest of Samsung to have you guys installing Vista in your devices. I would like also to thank EETI for allowing me to release this beta driver. They are going to release an official package with more options and functions soon, but in the meantime we can enjoy HID support using this beta.

Enough, the driver can be downloaded here. I included a readme.txt file with instructions, please follow them. Remember, this is a "AS IS" release, and even when I can guarantee that it works you ARE ON YOUR OWN. Do not count on Samsung for help (these guys are busy making money) and do not bother EETI either (these guys are really busy doing a good job).

Note: Ok, it´s confirmed, it works in XP too. The only difference is that you wont be able to use the shortcut included in the zip. Instead you have to create your own shourt cut and in the Open field use this line: tabcal

One bad news, XP users still need the floattip.exe
I'm striking this part because according to many users after doing the calibration using the tabcal tool they did not need anymore the floattip.exe, so this is a good news for XP users too.



88 comments:

  1. This is excellent news! I am one of those with an XP only box and have no intention of going to VISTA, so I really hope you are wrong about these drivers being completely incompatible with the original XP OS.
    Can you run through quickly how I should try to install these in XP? Basically, how do I create a restore point (sorry for the noobishness) and what do I do to test this driver out.

    I assume the install routine would be pretty much the same as you detail for Vista systems. Finally, just to be clear, what do I need to do to roll-back in case the drivers are a no go?

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  2. Open Help and Support Center on XP and you will find how to create and restore points.

    The instructions for XP should be the same. But... Did you read the part where I said that you are ON YOUR OWN? If you do not know how to create and restore a restore point probably this whole procedure is going to be too much for you. Wait a few days and you will have a normal install from eGalax.

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  3. You're my hero, ctitanic!
    I installed it on XP and so far it works fine. All I needed to do was uninstalling touchkit and installing your driver. The shortcut didn't work on XP, but going to system32 directory and running tabcal.exe did the trick. Now tab-and-hold works natively and I don't need floattip util any more. In addition, overall it feels snappier than before.
    Big Thanks for all your effort!

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  4. Basically if you create a shortut with this line

    tabcal lincal novalidate

    Or you run this same line from a DOS windows, it should work!

    Well, that´s a good news for XP users too!

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  5. Good news and Vista does seem to recognize it as a digitizer and not a mouse, but I can't get it to calibrate to save my life. If I run it via the shortcut, it goes through the motions and after that the pointer just does whatever it wants and doesn't follow the stylus at all. If I calibrate it via the control panel applet, it won't even recognize screen taps. Any ideas will be welcome!

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  6. Mark, be sure you run the shortcut as administrator.

    Another things, after running my shortcut you have to reboot your machine. After that you should calibrate it again using the Calibration buttom in the Tablet PC Settings.

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  7. Hiya Frank,
    Ok...now it works. This time I ran your shortcut, *immediately* rebooted and then ran the applet. First time, I ran your shortcut, uninstalled Touchkit, rebooted and then ran the applet and it didn't work. So I guess the key is to immediately reboot after running your shortcut. Sure enough, even with your vbscript gone, ink tools shows up under Word.

    Another thing...I also noticed that eGalax has a Vista touchkit 3808 posted for download. Any thoughts?

    And finally, many thanks for the info on this and a number of other things for this and my MDA. Your efforts are very much appreciated!

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  8. The eGalax drivers posted at their site do not work in our Q1s.

    Thanks for the feedback Mark!

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  9. Congrats! I have been waiting to upgrade my Q1p to Vista while you worked out all the HID issues. Is there any way to get a 'Clean Install Vista on Q1p Guide' with driver links?

    Great Site btw, been a big help with my UMPC questions...

    - Jesse

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  10. It's work fine for me. Good job, thanks a lot !! Now Q1 is full Vista ready .

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  11. tested it with a german XPTE.
    Works great.
    like ignar said just run tabcal.exe in system32 directory after installing the new driver.
    Thanks alot.

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  12. Flash Bum here is your link

    That, and this driver is all you need. Do not install the touchkit.

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  13. Great news but I got a strange problem. Everything work fine but at logon screen, the pen and cursor position not match (everytime!!), just like didn't calibrate. It made me hard to tap the password. So I used a KB to type a password and got the desktop, everything work fine and the problem gone, any suggestion ? thanks.

    p.s. it's a XP system and I'm sure the touchkit uninstalled successfully.

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  14. Frank, Thank you so much for leading the crusade for HID support for the Q1. I went back to running XP on my computer because I was unhappy with how slowly windows media player performed on my Q1 in Vista. Even so, this new HID driver makes using the Q1much more enjoyable. We owe you a debt of gratitude. Regards,
    Bill (aka Tax Man)

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  15. Anonymous that´s something that happens with XP. I had that problem in my eo V7110. I never could find a solution.

    But I do not have this problem on Vista in my Q1.

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  16. Thanks for this! But I have this logon problem on XP as well. The strange thing is, that the calibration it even off on re-login out of Stand-by. But only on the log-onscreen! After this calibration is OK again...

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  17. Carsten, like I said before. That´s a problem that I have in my eo v7110 and so far I have not found any solution for it.

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  18. Thanks Frank, seems only way to go with Vista. As you mentioned the XP still need the floattip.exe to enable the floating TIP, but I got it without floattip.exe, strange.

    By the way, my name is Lennon ;-)

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  19. Lennon, I fixed my post. There are reports from XP users saying that if they use the tabcal to calibrate the screen after that they do not need any more the floattip.exe, so this is a very good news for all xp users.

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  20. NICE GOING FRANK!!!!!!!

    I can't test now.... :( .. but will tomorrow.

    I knew you'd be persistent enough to get someone to help!

    WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    Frank.... you are da' man!
    'nuff said!

    lol

    Thanks man!

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  21. Hey Jay! Where you have been man!? For a moment I thought you were back in the hospital.

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  22. sweet wondering if there is a way to get tip cranking on regular ol xp for folks with active digitizers as well. just got an oqo 02....

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  23. I ran vista on my Q1-SSD for five weeks. It worked ok but it seemed like it was slower than XP. So I reverted to WinXP again. I don't use the hand writing feature. My question is this: Will installing the so-called HID driver improve the performance of the Q1 under Vista?

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  24. Frank,

    Congratulations, and thanks so much for all the hard work - I'm sure that without all your efforts, we would not have seen HID support on the Q1.

    A couple of questions: How does this impact on the whole XP to Vista upgrade issue - should we install the HID drivers before or after, and how does this affect the order of application installations listed on the Psybertech page?

    Thanks again,

    Rory.

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  25. It won't affect Vista installation in any way. I would Install this driver first and then the rest.

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  26. Kenneth this does not change the performance in any way; well I think that the touch pointer feature makes vista a little bit slower so I turned it off.

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  27. Thanks for that, Frank.

    I have another noob-type question:

    Is this the best procedure to move from XP to Vista:

    1. Uninstall all existing Samsung apps
    2. Upgrade to Vista
    3. Install new apps from Psybertech page

    or should I install the new apps before I upgrade to Vista?

    RoryD

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  28. roryd, those drivers are for Vista and probably wont work in XP so the right thing to do is upgrade and then install these drivers.

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  29. Right then, I'm off to upgrade...will report back later with update and performance score (Q1-SSD).

    RoryD

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  30. Let's the force be with you.

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  31. Hi Frank,
    I'm finding that on XP the driver is working fine without Floattip.exe. However, I have experienced an issue with the resolution switcher after I installed the new driver. It stills switches the resolution but it doesn't maintain the aspect ratio. In other words, you have to pan to get the whole screen in 800x600 or 1024x600. Relaunching the display menu utility seems to fix it. It may not have anything to do with the new touch screen driver but it wasn't happening before I installed it. Any thoughts?

    Bill (aka Tax Man)

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  32. Hum, I have to confess that I have not changed the resolution with this driver. With the UMPCScrollBar I have not needed anymore. I'll check it and if that's right I'll work with that.

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  33. Bill, reinstall the video drivers and tell me if that fixed the problem. Probably we have to install the video drivers once the HID driver is installed.

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  34. Is this driver working for everyone?

    On my Q1 with XP (BIOS 20MA) it simply won't install. Windows can't seem to match the .inf file to the hardware it sees, irrespective of whether I simply point the driver installer to the directory where the files are OR I try to manually install using the "have disk" option.

    (I should mention, so I don't get too many "driver installation 101" suggestions, that I'm an old hand at running Windows and dealing with device problems. But this one has me stumped.)

    I have verified (repeatedly!) that I am trying to update the driver on the correct device (0EEF/0001), and I have already replaced the stock TouchKit driver with the generic Microsoft USB HID device driver.

    And unfortunately, now that I have reinstalled TouchKit (via a download from the eGalax web site), calibration crashes every time I try it.

    Any ideas? This is a refurb'ed Q1 from Woot, and I have only had it for about a week. Harware problems are a possibility.

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  35. Clarke, I had very hard time to get this last version installed. So I do not think it's a hardware problem.

    First of all I was trying to update the driver in the Mouse and other poiting devices with this new driver and that did not work for me. I was about to gave up when I switched to HID Devices branch and I tested there using the Have a Disk button and that worked.

    Keep trying. That's the only thing that I can tell you about it.

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  36. BTW, if you need to go back to Touchkit do not use the one at eGalax at this moment. Use the one from your install CD.

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  37. Bill, I just tested changing the resolution and it worked for me!

    Reinstall Install drivers and easy display manager.

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  38. Ah, much better. I didn't realize the device showed up both places.

    But how can I calibrate the screen at the XP login prompt? It's calibrated fine once I'm logged in, but it's off pretty badly between sessions.

    Great work, and thanks!

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  39. CTitanic- just a quick note to say thank you!

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  40. Frank,

    Performance figures for my Q1-SSD (Celeron M 900MHz, 1Gb RAM, 30Gb SSD):

    Processor: 2.2
    Memory: 4.5
    Graphics: 1.9
    Gaming Graphics: 1.0
    Primary HDD: 5.2

    Overall thoughts post-Vista upgrade:

    By following the procedures (closely!), I upgraded and got everything working perfectly. Handwriting is much improved. Battery life seems worse, and this may be caused by the fan being on much more than in XP. Seems to run hotter. Also seems quicker...

    Regards,

    RoryD

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  41. Thanks RoryD for sharing your impressions.

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  42. Frank,

    I notice that the link to the drivers has a more recent timestamp than the ones I got last Friday - the readme and usbmini files are larger - should I update to these drivers?

    RoryD.

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  43. The drivers was changed to add support to TabletKiosk eo i7210 but it does not affect or add anything that will affect Q1 Owners.

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  44. Well for a few seconds I got the "really" floating input pad (like the screenshots I've seen) but after a reboot, it's gone. Also, I was getting a little keyboard icon by text fields. But it stopped appearing after the reboot too! Ideas?

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  45. Calibrate again the Screen using the shortcut included in the Zip file, log off, log on, calibrate again using the calibration button in the Tablet PC apple of the Control panel.

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  46. I made sure to calibrate using tabcal ... logged out, back on, etc. The problem seems to be with a non-administrative user. Maybe this is where the issue lies?

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  47. Do you still have UAC on?!!! Turn off that and reinstall the driver; or just try again the calibration process.

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  48. Actually, I am running XP rather than vista. I should have mentioned that ... sorry. If I don't have admin privs, that's when I see the problem. I just added admin privs back to my account and things work - i.e. I get the keyboard icon for text fields. When I take away admin privs, I lose the functionality. But I don't really want to run with admin privs. Ideas?

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  49. I do not know what to tell you in your case. I do not see the relation between profile administration rights and the floating tip. A possible solution could be once eGalax release the official installation to run it as an administrator (using the running as Another User option) and see what happens.

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  50. Hello,

    How do you add this driver when doing a clean install of Vista?

    Thanks,

    John Pearce.

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  51. Following the Instructions! The only thing is that you do not have to uninstall Touchkit because You should have not installed it. Right after the first clean boot on Vista, you go to Device Manager and install the driver in the way I describe in the TXT file.

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  52. Hello,

    I've managed to get Vista running on my Q1, and it seems largely OK.

    I even installed the TouchScreen Calibration and UMPC Ink Patch from psybertech, and they appeared to install OK.

    However,I've had a few problems with video resolution and aspect ratios. The low and high resolution mode work ok, but there appears to be a problem with the 800 x 600 mode. It doesn't fit the physical screen and you have a bit of a scrollable/virtual desktop. Pointer calibration is also way off, almost as though its adjusted for the virtual screen size not the physical screen size.

    This mode is useful when you have something that just won't fit on the screen in low mode.

    Any ideas/suggestions? Is there a better video driver to use than the one on the psybertech website?

    Thanks,

    John Pearce.

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  53. John, either the easy screen manager is not installed properly or the Intel Driver.

    Be sure you have the UAC OFF.

    Just to be clear, between this driver and the drivers for Vista Un officially released by us, your Vista should work at 100%.

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  54. So just to be absolutely clear ...

    By "this driver" you mean the HID driver?

    Do I still need to download another Intel graphics driver?

    By switch off UAC do you mean disable admin approval mode as per http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/0d75f774-8514-4c9e-ac08-4c21f5c6c2d91033.mspx?mfr=true ?

    Thanks,

    John.

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  55. this driver, means this HID Driver.
    The Intel driver is the one listed in the UnOfficial Vista Drivers page (you can find the link in this site).

    About UAC, here is an easier way to disable. Start Button, Run, msconfig, in the tool tab, there is an option to disable it.

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  56. Oh, and never install Touchkit.

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  57. Ctitanic.

    For the record, i've tested this out on the Q1P and Q1b under XP. All working OK.
    Excelent work Frank.

    Steve

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  58. did you notice the difference?

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  59. The driver doesn't agree with my i7210. It did install fine but the panel sensor seems berserk after installation. when doing calibration With crosses, I can't even get the first point tap as it points anywhere but the cross.

    So how to fix? any other i7210 uses this HID? I'm using MS HID we the moment on Vista. But I get the Sleep/Hibernation/Restart/Shutdown problem.

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  60. Any chance for a good clean summary update on the whole procedure? Questions I have, as a late commer..
    On my q1, I've put the new bios and 2meg of memory. Installed vista as an upgrade. Then I started reading..
    Next steps..?

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  61. Dougcarmichel

    The instructions are written in a readme file that can be found with the drivers. If you have any question I'll be glad to answer your questions. Of course, that readme file is written assuming that you have the minimum knowledge to install a driver manually. I have installed already dozen of times this driver and I can tell you that there is not a clear way to do it because all depends on how clean is your system from the old drivers. And the majority of the times the system is not that clean so you have to improvise a little bit.

    Finally, I have a service for the community where I help remotely users to solve installation/configuration problems:

    Personalized Help

    This is not a free service. I charge 10 Euros/hour (around 13 dollars). All is needed is your UMPC connected to Internet, a PC connected to Internet at the same time with Messenger working on it and to install the tool mentioned at that site. If you want to use that service let me know and I can arrange a section for you in English.

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  62. Many thanks. i may ake you up o that service. In the meanwhie I ammaking great progress. I was able to install the key driver but not in the hi section but in the mouse and pointer section. That's where the generic showed up.

    All hat is working fine, including rotation.

    But, on the mobility center I do not get the box to control brightness. it just isn't there.
    Suggestion? The brightness is fine when plugged inbut not too dark on battery

    Also, should I be able to control the volume with the Q!rocker switch on the left side the way I could in XP?

    Muchisimas gracias por todo.

    Oh, also following you instructions, when I did thedetails tab i did not see the hardware it was attached to. So I had to guess.

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  63. I can't check in my Q1 now but I think that the brightness does not work any more with the hard keys while you are on battery. I'll check this later.

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  64. doug carmichael4:56 PM, June 22, 2007

    On battery it dims significantly. is there an way to control brightness or prevent dimming?

    I am on an original q1 running vista, two gig of ram, your drivers, etc. all else works but the menu button.

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  65. Hi,
    Thanks for the driver! I recently installed Vista Ultimate on a separate partition (dual-boot with XP) and all went smoothly. In fact the touchscreen was recognized and functional upon install. A little issue I have is that the Bluetooth On/Off does not show up on the Menu. Oddly enough, I seem to remember it being there at some point after the install. Any ideas on adding the to menu will be appreciated.

    Thanks

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  66. Yay! Thank you so much. I know this is some what old news but its new to me. I am dual booting my np-q1 with xp and vista. After installing vista, I could not right click with my pen or calibrate, or use any of the tablet features. This driver fixes all of that. I get to play with a lot of hardware and I hate when its crippled for whatever rea$on. Thank you for your interest and devotion.

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  67. Fantastic little solution. Slight problem now is the writing panel - it doesn't move below half way down the screen and if you dock at the bottom it takes up the whole of the bottom half of the screen. Any ideas, other than float at the top?

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  68. What you are describing does not have anything to do with this topic. Basically you have to play around with the size of your TIP in all the taps.

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  69. this driver work ok on window 7.

    the panning is beautiful. the performance are very fast.

    i wont now a tool for rotating and zoom with one finger. because the q1 ultra is not multitouch.

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  71. installed this on my q1 running xp. now i dont need floattip. but what really amazes me now is the ink quality. its almost up to par with my hp tx2000 tablet pc.

    would this driver also work on other umpc's?

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  72. I don not have any reports of this driver working in other UMPC.

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  73. I'm trying to pull my Q1 out of mothballs and get Win7 on it. Loading Buil 7100, this driver won't load. Win7 doesn't think it's the correct driver, and when I mess with the hardware ID in the ini file to get it to match, windows installs but fails to load the driver. Any ideas to get this working?

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  74. It doesn't seem to work if you actually try to install it while running Windows 7... at least the RC, I don't know. It says that it doesn't find the device for the thing, I don't really know

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  75. I don't have my Q1 any more so I don't know what to tell you.

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  76. Thank you very much!
    That driver works great on my Q1 with Windows 7, all Tablet-PC Funktions on Office and Windows now working very well!

    Frank

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  77. Hello,
    Is it possible to get a 64bit Version or to acquire it?
    Thx in advance!

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  78. This driver was for the Samsung Q1 and as far as I know there was any Q1 running at 64 bits.

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  79. Hello,
    thank you for your quick reply. Yes, indeed I don´t have a Q1, but I modified a tft monitor with a touchscreen which also uses the eeti driver. So I wanted to try if it possible to get W7 panning to work with your driver. Unfortunately My installation always stops by saying that the driver is just for 32bit Systems. As u mentioned in another blog entry without HID functions Touchscreens are hard to use. So it would be great if there is a solution to this problem.

    Btw for 32 bit Systems there is a tool for panning which is called mouseimp. Also for there is a gesture tool from eeti which works on my touchscreens

    Anyways thanks for your help in advance!

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    1. I see. Unfortunately that was long time ago and I lost my contact in EETI.

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    2. That´s a pity. But thanks anyways. I still have an eee 901 also modified with a eeti touchscreen. I hope it will work on this device.
      Btw. very nice blog.

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  80. I figure this is a long shot, but might as well ask. I found this after digging through a lot of pages and the driver works for my touchscreen with windows 8, just one BIG problem. X and Y axis are inverted.. I could easily fix this if i had the source code. Is there any chance you might have it?

    I'll happily share it and provide instructions on what egalax touch digitizers it might work it. Thanks.

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    1. Sorry, I do not have the source. It took me a lot of work and research to have somebody from that company to give me those. And unfortunately it was so long ago that I lost all contacts with this company.

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